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Because LJ is my political news source of RAGE.

SRSLY... I feel like all that is happening in our 'free' country is like a bad science fiction movie right now. One we cannot escape.

(hmmm, random reminder to self to go read A Handmaiden's Tale)

Nipped from jrfrench

Representative Ronald Paul(R-TX) has introduced H.R. 4379 aka the "We the People Act". It seeks to ensure that:

The Supreme Court of the United States and each
Federal court--
(1) shall not adjudicate--
(A) any claim involving the laws, regula-
tions, or policies of any State or unit of local
government relating to the free exercise or es-
tablishment of religion;
(B) any claim based upon the right of pri-
vacy, including any such claim related to any
issue of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction; or
(C) any claim based upon equal protection
of the laws to the extent such claim is based


In other words, it seeks to effectively dismantle the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Presumably, this is being put forward on the impetus of groups such as the American Family Association with the intent of clearing the way for bigoted and theocratic laws at the State and Federal Level.

Write to your Senators and Representatives and urge them to oppose H.R. 4379, and any version thereof which may reach the Senate floor.

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nebris From: nebris Date: March 17th, 2006 03:43 am (UTC) (Portal)
I'm not sure what's up here, but my knowledge of Ron Paul is that he is liberal and progressive. He's a regular contributor to 'antiwar.com' and similar sites. We have to check the back story on this one, babe.

~M~
chaoticerotic From: chaoticerotic Date: March 17th, 2006 03:47 am (UTC) (Portal)
a liberal and progressive replublican?

PErhaps he is caving to the wishes of his party?
nebris From: nebris Date: March 17th, 2006 04:00 am (UTC) (Portal)
Here is some of what he says in The House: http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/1724848.php

Keep in mind that this would work both ways. If one locale outlaws something like abortion, another could legalize it and the courts would have to let it stand. It does address the reality of our 'Balkanized' political landscape.

~M~
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chaoticerotic From: chaoticerotic Date: March 17th, 2006 07:02 am (UTC) (Portal)
This is being reposted like wildfire, here's a good example that examines this rather well.

http://pecunium.livejournal.com/178161.html
sabrarosa From: sabrarosa Date: March 17th, 2006 04:01 am (UTC) (Portal)
Isn't that lovely? I really hope that this kind of stupidity arouses some amount of interest in those who otherwise can't be bothered to pay attention.
chaoticerotic From: chaoticerotic Date: March 17th, 2006 07:03 am (UTC) (Portal)
This is being reposted like wildfire, here's a good example that examines this rather well.

http://pecunium.livejournal.com/178161.html
elfwreck From: elfwreck Date: March 17th, 2006 04:16 am (UTC) (Portal)
Hmmmm..... does this mean Utah could allow polygamy? The tax code would go to hell in a handbasket.

Does it also mean they'd be changing how the feds deal with 501(c)3 nonprofit religious organizations?

..."any state or unit of local government..." which means that city in FL could become a Christian city--but also means that rural towns in Northern California could declare for Earth-Based Paganism, and insist that Christians pay triple taxes.

I'd like to know more of the reasoning behind this measure.
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chaoticerotic From: chaoticerotic Date: March 17th, 2006 07:02 am (UTC) (Portal)
This is being reposted like wildfire, here's a good example that examines this rather well.

http://pecunium.livejournal.com/178161.html
shivashakti From: shivashakti Date: March 17th, 2006 10:35 am (UTC) (Portal)
Y'know, I hear a lot of talk about Ron Paul being relatively moderate and being libertarian, but then I go to check him out on Wikipedia and it turns out that he's a member of the John Birch Society!

That's like crackpot Christian conservative. They're not as active as they used to be, but, they are out there.

I have a hard time believing that he's out to protect all religions..rather than just his Christian beliefs.

He might be fiscally libertarian, but he's socially conservative.
chaoticerotic From: chaoticerotic Date: March 17th, 2006 10:38 am (UTC) (Portal)
scary.

pat_man_ta From: pat_man_ta Date: March 17th, 2006 02:30 pm (UTC) (Portal)
Wow, they really are trying to tear this country apart.

I'm starting to think that serious problems and violence are coming in out lifetimes.
chaoticerotic From: chaoticerotic Date: March 17th, 2006 02:31 pm (UTC) (Portal)

YOU BET

Missouri is also apparently trying to pass a declaration that Christianity is the state religion, so prayers led by teachers, etc., are permissible in school. No one bothers addressing which form of Christianity is the state religion, but it's apparently not the kind where Jesus told people not to pray on street corners like the hypocrites, and to pray instead in their rooms, with their doors closed....

I've yet to find decent sources to cite on this enough to post it yet, tho...
belledejour From: belledejour Date: March 17th, 2006 05:10 pm (UTC) (Portal)
emails have been sent to all my rep/senators!!!
amesha_spentas From: amesha_spentas Date: March 17th, 2006 05:48 pm (UTC) (Portal)
mmmm, well if you lived in texas like i do, you wouldnt give a damn about it. why the fuss sister. my congressman/senator are staunch rightwinged republicans. does no good for me to get upset. and im sure that will piss people off. but i hope to die soon from AIDS so nothing upsets me much...
unseelie From: unseelie Date: March 17th, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC) (Portal)
Luckily, it looks like this bill is going nowhere. According to the Library of Congress' Thomas system, the bill was introduced on November 17th (exactly 4 months ago), referred tot he Judiciary Committee, and has sat there untouched since then.

The hyperlink above may not work; if so, you can get this information by going to http://thomas.loc.gov/, entering "hr 4379" in the search field, selecting the "Bill Number" radio button, and pressing "Search". To find out what actions have been taken regarding a bill: On the resulting page, click "Bill Summary & Status", then "All Actions".

But I think it's still worth writing to elected officials to oppose such efforts for next year.
pecunium From: pecunium Date: March 18th, 2006 02:16 am (UTC) (Portal)
This is more pernicous than that. It's been recurring (in various forms) as part of a pair of bills, designed to make it possible to establish a preferred state for religion. The language is pseudo-neutral.

I ranted about it sometime back, here. They run it under the rubric of, Restoring the Constitution, and they want to make it illegal to consider any law which is based on, "scriptural authority."

They, of course, don't define the scripture in question, but you know they mean a specific set of Old Testament rules, as defined by themselves.

TK
chaoticerotic From: chaoticerotic Date: March 18th, 2006 02:26 am (UTC) (Portal)
I read about that, but didn't post since I didn't find any sources to cite.

Dammit.
pecunium From: pecunium Date: March 18th, 2006 02:39 am (UTC) (Portal)
The thing is unconstitutional on its face, but painful to counteract, since it pretends to make a law which is beyond review (the only way to get it to the Supreme Court would be to... well it's written so there is no way to appeal it, and primary jurisdiction is prohibited... a great catch, that Catch-22).

The test would be (and then the people who like it would be hoist on their own petard) when a group they don't like instituted such laws, based on scriptures they don't like.

At which point they would try to find a diversity clause (or questions of procedure, in which jurisdiction was superior) and hope they could drag that, sideways, into court. Where it would get struck down.

The other option, religious civil war.

I am afraid I see the latter as more likely, should this pass.

Come on down, I'll teach you to shoot.

TK
chaoticerotic From: chaoticerotic Date: March 19th, 2006 10:14 am (UTC) (Portal)
the latter does seem more likely.

Bang bang.

I'd love to learn how to shoot.
pecunium From: pecunium Date: March 19th, 2006 10:19 am (UTC) (Portal)
Next time you're in California, just give me a bit of heads up, and we'll lay in some ammo, make some time, and study the fine art of making holes in things at a distance.

TK
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